Protecting own mistakes, not the people About Kharkov offensive. By Konstantin Kirillov. Sept. 16. 2022. (To A.M.) 1. How an evacuation be an excuse? It is a disaster. 2. How an evacuation and teacher duty, police duty, admin duty coexist if "to evacuate a month ahead"? Who will do these duties during remaining month? This is a hypocricy. 3. Evacuation is a breaking of the trust. How breaking of the trust can be an excuse? 4. Peple who remain to stay are not necessary pro-Ukrainian. Above 4 is a moral defeat. 5. And moral defeat means defeat of denazification goal. At least temporary but long lasting. Now, let's say about military. 6. If these 10-20 cities/villages cannot be held and territory is not a goal in mobile war, why to conquer and keep them for 3 months at all? Why not to keep the line along the river as is now, Sept 17? What is a gain for R? The only advantage of keeping them is a one week of delay for U. Delay for what if R does not hurry at all? Therefore, this was a military defeat. Don't say above is a panic, exaggeration, or whining. We don't mean above means a great, or final, or strategic defeat. But a defeat. 7. Calling above a planned maneuver is a lie, shredding the responsibility and apology. And shredding of responsibility is a thing standing aside of the above moral defeat itself and is an additional breaking of the trust to the MOD on top of evacuation itself. If one disagree with above minimal logic, below we expand and support it. We avoid the judgement and blaiming of any one. For this case, we speak in language of "trade-offs". The blaiming is left to a reader. RF has obligation to protect liberated areas and not leave them. (*) Proof. Ad absurdum. Assume the contrary of (*): Russia came and liberated area A. Locals begin use Russian aid, admins and police must cooperate with R., normal life must be supported by R as much as possible, children go to school, ... There is no other way. The population won't survive without aid and elements of normal life. They must accept all of this even some do not like Russians. But this immediatley makes all these locals Ukrainian targets. All, even pro-Ukraians. This means that R must promise these locals: we'll try never leave. Even if R does not make such a promise verbally, it is implied. Because all parties do understand: leaving the territory will be a disaster for locals. In any following possible cases: case 1) withouht possiblity to evacuation to R. case 2) with partial or full evacuation to R. Because evacuation is ruining of human live and is a disaster. (For some people pro-Russian or not, especially old ones, the evacuation is not an option: they do not want to leave their mother land, the land where their ancestors were buried.) So, the presence of R. will build a trust between R and locals. No matter what MOD of R thinks or plans about this area and what MOD secretly hides from locals and own low-rank suborinates who are compelled to lie to locals because are not able to see in their eyes otherwise. So at the end of the presense, we have two things going on: cooperation and trust. Then R leaves. And all breaks: mostly people are ruined by evacuation, some even did not have a chance to evacuate, remaining people are under genocide, and trust is broken. Proof finished. More details are below. 7. Contradiction. It cannot be both: A.M and M.Z.: A.M. says like [1],[2],[3] "...everyone who wanted to evacuate did evacuate..." => leaving these territories "is OK" Maria Zakharova: [4] "...concern are ... filtration measures carried out by special services and neo-Nazi armed formations in the territories ... of the allied forces were withdrawn ... " => not OK *. Apparently, at Bucha time span, population was not timely and clearly warned that R keeps in them mind the option to leave. In our memory, when people exit from shelters, they found Russian troops left. People where not urgent to evacuate. Some even stayed despite of R recommendation to evacuate. Were murdered. Due two causes: (cause of consequence is never alone) Russian temporary presense and Ukrainian terror. Therefor R shared a "guilt" of being coming near Kiev. * [11] Living people the only option as evacuation is wrong. This is exactly the same as Ukranians did in the famous France24 report for Licichansk when citizens of Licichansk did not want to evacuate: the called this rightfully "deportation" when Ukrain admins tried to evacuate them. 1:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQJJIvakwo R. does not force. But effect is similar to deportation. * Low-level subordinates continue to confuse own-selves and locals: "we never leave". For example: Liman. We can be sure everywhere. Otherwise, how soldiers can look at the eyes of the locals? Source: https://readovka.news/news/111551 Красный Лиман терпит натиск ВСУ. Вера Белоусова 12.09.2022, 13:57 * Will following people lose their trust?: We can only be surprised how much trust people put into R. a. Senior Lady in Lisichansk. I want Russians to win. [France24]. Source: 1:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQJJIvakwo b. Babushka with flag. (Her fate is uknown?) A) What can they think now? What to believe? What about referendum? B) Not only trust of Ukrainian locals, but in R. too. Excusable details. Kharkiv offensive was possibly a clear planning error. That makes some excuse for "breaking a trust". But in this case MOD must clearly admint the error, apologize to locals, and panish responsible for this error. Not necessarily like executions in 1941, but something. Reasons and fixes * Why does R fight with small amount of people? To save them? In expense of civilians? So, this is again a trade-off number-of-civilians/number-of-own-soldiers No judgement. No blame. I simply don't know. But this is a question to R. MOD. Will it ever answer it? * The problem with Russia is a lack of accountability/responsibility. MOD is not accountable to the ordinary population. It can hurm denazification operation, but no explanation/apology. (Lying to locals: we won't leave is a such hurm. This breeds anti Russia mood.) Instead of explanation there is a fake explanation: "a regrouping" which multiplies the hurm. Summary of logic Betray me once: shame on you. Betray me twice - shame on me. Because people on top do not take responsibilities for own mistakes and keep people below in unnecesary darkeness. In fact, people above do not trust enough to peple below. This is an additional complication to Russian oligarchy predatory system.